A relaxing day yesterday, just watching a few sessions as I know I will be able to view most of them over the next year. So now to start day 2 at 10am my time in Tasmania.
Went to the Main Stage but all sessions had finished already. Then looked at the live sessions for today and have already missed 9 out of the 10 I wanted to see. Glad these will be recorded so I can watch later on.
So looks like my plan for today is to look at some series and other sessions I have ticked and added to my playlist. I have also been watching twitter to see what other sessions are being recommended by other genealogists I follow.
Loved the introduction to this series. Common saying by mums of large families “Is everyone here?” Jana suggests ways to fill in those gaps in your family tree where you might have found some children but maybe not all of them. This is mainly for English families.
An individual’s story includes all their relationships.
Before 1900 most married women had children every 1-3 years so check your tree for gaps that might show children missing
Ask questions about why there might be a gap – change church, dad in gaol, dad a mariner, stillbirth etc
Find your family in every census
Keep a spreadsheet or chart from 1841-1921 and mark off relevant censuses you find each member of the family in
Remember children grow and leave home or are apprentices or servants in other homes of get married
If not in a census, maybe emigration
Also use 1939 register
In 1911 census , you find how many children a woman had – how many alive and how many dead
Use civil registration records to help fill gaps
Use indexes on GRO website gives more info than other indexes on Ancestry etc – register for free and order certificates from here as well
Use birth and death indexes – good for those children who died young
Church records mainly Church of England prior to 1837 when civil registration began
From mid 1500s, two copies of christenings, marriages and burials are found in parish registers or Bishops transcripts
Inscriptions on gravestones, where they are buried, maybe other members buried nearby
If you can find the images, it can be better than indexes – they often have extra information in margins
Also look in neighbouring parishes and towns
In small towns, create lists with same surname – often they are related
Wills, admons (didn’t leave a will), estate duty
From 1858, check at gov.uk or in Ancestry
Before 1858, you need to check county probate records which can be found on family search wiki – findmypast and the genealogist also have the images
In small town keep record of all with same surname
Escaping the Famine – Irish settlement in Canada by Melanie McComb @ShamrockGen
This session really interested me as those readers who follow my blog, know of my frustrations with my Irish Jackson family. After three members of the family, William senior, William Junior and Rebecca as well as another relative Jane Steel, were sentenced to transportation, another member of the family Anne Jackson, who had dobbed them in for stealing, asked for help to get away from Ireland.
While I was travelling in Ireland I did some research on Anne and found her with two other children Mary Ann and Robert going to Canada on the recommendation of the magistrate who had sentenced the Jacksons.
Melanie’s session included the history of Irish Immigration to Canada and many of the reasons why this happened. She also discusses the voyages across the Atlantic from Ireland to Canada. Once in Canadian waters, there was quarantine to go through at various points along the coast.
Before 1865, no formal passenger lists but some shipping companies kept lists. This is where I found Ann and her children on the J.J.Cooke list arriving on the ship Superior in 1847. These records are now on Ancestry.
Melanie also mentions a collection of records coming into New England through the Port of Saint John, New Brunswick for the years 1841-1849. It includes more than just immigration records.
Melanie then went into other ways to build your Irish family in Canada:
Using census to looking for parent(s) born in Ireland but children born in Canada. Different information found in each census will help you work out when someone came to Canada and maybe where they came from in Ireland.
Church records – some found online, others still on microfilm and found in registers at particular churches.
Land records also might help build your family tree in Canada – province level first then county level
Newspapers also give lots of information including goods belonging to dead people and how to claim them. Also check out obituaries and articles in area near where your Irish family settled.
Gravestones might also have town and parish in Ireland mentioned on them.
Readers: What was your takeaway from day 2 at RootsTech 2022?
This week’s chat was run by those very knowledgeable about Irish land records particularly the Griffith Valuations. I have not used them yet, but now I am finding more Irish on my father’s line maybe the following will come in useful for future research.
What are the Griffith’s Primary Valuations (GV)? How and why have you used them to find your Irish families?
For those who have not used GV or need some free tutorials, there are some excellent ones on YouTube and some specific to several Counties too
Griffith’s Valuations are/were a multilayered response to determine the rateable value of land and property to share the cost of the poor law support. It involved calculating the size, productivity and estimated rates on any property.
Critically, GV offers us an alternate insight into possible ancestral families during the mid 19th century especially given the absence of census records for that period. We will have to work a bit harder than we would with census data.
the key thing about GV from a #familyhistory POV is that it lists most land-occupying residents of the island of Ireland between 1847 to 1864…tenants and owners. It does not include whole families.
What I most want to know about Griffiths Valuations is whether the owner or renter of the property is named?
The occupier (renter) is named, and the person who rents the property to him/her is named, not always the owner
The immediate lessor is mentioned and then the person they rent to. The lessor may not be the absolute owner because they in turn may lease from higher up the chain. If you follow the overall links, and other sites, you can usually work it out.
For me Griffiths has been invaluable, it’s basically a mid-19th-century, head of household census, covering 70% of the population.
I found my 2xgreat grandfather on them and have used them to try and work out my rather unknown Ulster family, the one where I started with one person born in Castleblayney.
Griffith’s Primary Valuation of Ireland is the major part of a comprehensive land and property survey, for the purpose of levying taxes. I’ve found it indispensable in tracing my Irish families.
When I worked out my Riordan townland I used the mapping feature with Griffiths. I could go from the property number on an old map, to slide and work out where it fitted on a new map.
Exactly! Although it also works in reverse if you’re not too familiar with the geography.
It took quite a while with enlarging the map etc but eventually I could find it quickly with the curve on the roads.
There’s so much more to GV than a list of names: there’s revision lists (the amended valuations over time), maps, field and quarto books, tenure and house books (how I wish for these!). census.nationalarchives.ie/search/vob/hom…
a crucial thing for me is that they are limited for urban ancestors. I have found none of mine in it.
But you should still check it out, some of my Dublin city ancestors are listed, just not the ones who live it tenement houses.
Possibly because if they lived in tenements they were sub-tenants not the primary renter? I have had more luck with villages
I agree with @Rosiemonstre about GV’s limited used for urban areas, although occasionally this has been useful as it can demonstrate somewhere that has been urban for years wasn’t when the records started!
I watched a really informative webinar at ‘Ireland Reaching Out’ about Griffiths Valuations and Cancellation books … some time ago now. I think the link I posted may be a follow up article to that webinar
A1: The name listings by townland are informative but be aware that all those numbers and letters have significance. Here is one of my examples. Be aware there may be more than one entry if they had land and a house separately. #ANZAncestryTimepic.twitter.com/PIvwX3wz5R
My top tip for researching GV for your families is to learn your locations in depth. Where the townland is on a map, what parish or barony it is in. Look it up on a current map or on John Grenham’s website johngrenham.com/places/ or on townlands.ie
Field books are like Swahili to me. I haven’t a clue what they mean in terms of agricultural productivity though the assessable value suggests they weren’t great. Why couldn’t I have had tenure books instead?
I have found GV useful seeing families living near each other, hence helping explaining the subsequent marriages
And witnesses to events, or perhaps a joint inheritance of land due to sharing an ancestor. Proving it is of course another problem!
How have you verified that you’ve found the right family on the GV? Do you compare and consult other record sources as well as the GV?
Try to accumulate as much information on your family before you turn to Ireland eg parents’ names, and maybe siblings’ names. This helps to “triangulate” your data and narrow down the options. An unusual name helps too 😉
Cities can be a pain in which to research in many ways. I never trusted the 1851 Dublin census was my bloke until I matched it up with church records.
There are revision lists for the GV currently only online for Nth Ireland through PRONI or for the whole country via Family Search. Latter is in black and white. You need to search by keyword not place. Fingers crossed the digital images are coming!
I believe there is a plan to put the revision books online eventually. They have been slowly computerising them
Always need to cross reference with other records and FAN network, and follow the land holdings through the Cancelled Land/Revision books, to verify you have the right family.
Hopefully the parish registers may overlap with the timeline for the GV – this will help you confirm the correct townland and lead you to the right person on the GV.
Beware! when I started genealogy, I knew where our ancestral home was (we lived there) but the map did not correspond with my ancestor on Griffiths. Properties were renumbered over time, and the attached map was from a later date than the published valuation
That’s a great tip Dara! I’ve been looking at FMP maps and Ask About Ireland maps today – it gets confusing and you really need to understand the geography and location, don’t you.
My understanding is that the numbers and boundaries drawn on the attached maps date to the 1880s and will correspond to the Valuation Revisions of that date, though the maps used are earlier OS ones, so mightn’t include recent buildings. Can anyone confirm?
I thought it was the maps and numbers corresponding to later revisions than the primary valuation.
My reading of the @findmypast GV maps suggests no tenancy numbers. I need to re-read my Reilly.
My understanding (may or not be correct) is that the maps on @findmypast are the originals used by the surveyors. Happy to be corrected if wrong.
Yes, I think so too. The ones on askaboutireland don’t match.
One of my first stops in Dublin is usually to the Valuation Office to follow up more info from the Revision lists…they’re gold!
The marriage record for my great grandma gave her father’s name and occupation. Also found him in Slater’s Directory. Then we found her brother, same name and occupation. Gradually got six siblings.
That’s really cool Margaret. I had the parents + siblings which helped confirm I was on the right track. #Irishfamilyhistory requires mental gymnastics and perseverance.
Mine seem to go to and from Scotland – and every generation some seem to emigrate to the USA. Thousands of DNA matches back to Ulster. Well before GV.
I think there was more seasonal migration than we anticipate as well as permanent. And international migration was a constant among those with enough cash to fund it. They then supported those at home. Fascinating!
Ulster migrants went every year to Scotland for work & then came home – up to relatively recent times.
A2: Maps for GV can be confusing and challenging. This is why you need to be familiar with the location and use the slider for modern to historical map image on Ask about Ireland. The @findmypast are supposed to be the earliest – but can be the most confusing. #ANZAncestryTimepic.twitter.com/6AeRK6xqIv
When using the Valuation prep books, be aware that they often measured in Irish acres and then converted to standard for the published results.
I had planned to visit Ireland last year and a volunteer from @IrelandXO was going to take me to where the land was
We were really lucky when the relieving parish priest took us to meet a relative as he had a different surname but the priest was right. We’d bonded over lives in a missionary country. The GV revisions, and a chat with the bloke confirmed it.
What websites are available to search the GV? What are their benefits or weaknesses?
The most commonly used one is probably Ask About Ireland. askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valua… Downside is it can be temperamental and clunky and for the maps you need to know where you’re looking. Upside: use the books option and the slider for variations.
Revision lists enable you to follow the inheritance pattern for a property and lead you perhaps to a cousin today, give clues to approx dates of deaths of ancestors, or who inherited the land – possibly not the eldest son as you might think.
Ah, I only use the ‘askaboutrieland’ ones as FindMyPast doesn’t include maps for the six counties in Northern Ireland, and that’s what I was referring to. So you could well be correct!