ANZ Ancestry Time 2022

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Did you keep track of your genealogy achievements in 2021? Were there any research obstacles that you hope to solve in 2022?

I didn’t keep track but I could look back through my blog posts to see what I had accomplished. Haven’t written post yet about @WikiTreers profiles completed but they will be in 2022

Sue you have even kept track of #ANZAncestryTime in your blog posts!

I planned to focus on editing, reviewing and adding research to extensive family stories I drafted years ago. I did manage to do some of that but not as much as I wanted. I was pleased with my 2021 A2Z which generated good conversations. #ANZAncestryTime

This year once again I am working to reduce my @wikitree watchlist. Before I orphan a profile I research it as fully as possible. I will keep only my direct line and those I need to do more work on.

I print my watchlist once a year. I have reduced it by nearly a half bearing in mind that there are quite a few that will stay on it like me, my husband, my siblings, etc. I passed 10,000 @wikitree contributions and am now going for the next 10,000.

Some of my significant finds in 2021 I wrote about in blogs. I kept some research logs but not every achievement was recorded

Sharn I am in the process of adapting Thomas MacEntee’s research log for my own purposes and am finding it quite useful and interesting. I still have a long way to go but like the concept.

I did do a review of sorts regarding where my #FamilyHistory research had taken me in 2021 followed by some thinking, in broad terms, about where I want to focus in 2022/

one of my plans for 2021 was further research into my Scottish ancestors. I did get lots of Scottish research done, but there’s still more to do so it’s now on the 2022 plan.

The @scottishindexes conferences have been a huge help with my Scottish research Jennifer and I’m sure yours too

I have added a lot of DNA matches to my personal Legacy tree and have done lots of research on my family. I have found missing family for others using research and DNA matches.

I did not keep track of anything last year and have no particular goals for this year

All of what I achieved can be found in emails, because I am working in collaboration with other family members. I also wrote an article, which will be published this year. Most obstacles are at the pre-Australian arrival (UK) stage.

I do a review at the turn of the year. For my tree i note how many of each generation I have found. This year I also made a chart based on Yvette Hoitink’s ‘Level up’ approach so that will help me see progress when I have gone for depth vs expansion. I started creating WikiTree profiles this year so that will give me a new goal to track. For DNA i keep track of how many matches i have for 4C or closer and how many identified. I also have set a baseline on how many ancestors I have confirmed with DNA – trying to do this more systematically.

I did hardly any family history in 2021. I still have 3 spreadsheets I am trying to combine into a database so I can make queries to find missing data more easily.

Looking back to 2021, probably did more for my local group rather than for my own genealogy. The AJCP thing A-Z and presentations was a fair achievement. Collaboration with husbands Galvin relative yielded lots of excellent results

Tbh I did not do much research this year – just couldn’t focus. I have done a lot of organizing – changed my computer filing system, set up new GDAT DNA database, consolidated trees, organised my bookmarks into a proper ‘Research Toolbox’, wrote bios

smashing my USA brickwall was big achievement for 2021 & working on Fellowship of First Fleeters website & keeping local chapter running on zoom – plus exhibitions for Seniors & Heritage Festival at local museum & commemoration of 1887 Bulli Mine Disaster

My journal for 2021 records 5 small genealogical finds. Eagerly waiting for my Ulster HF research report this month that replaced my cancelled trip to Ireland

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Have you made a list of your 2022 genealogy goals? What areas of genealogy will you be focusing on in 2022?

In 2022 I’m focusing on Scotland and Bedfordshire England. Planning zooms, webinars and Blogging A-Z Challenge

My 2022 goals are fluid but I hope to complete some of the major writing projects I had planned for 2021. I’ll keep dabbing at my DNA results but have decided not to make it my major focus.

Goals for 2022 – I have not made these yet. Perhaps I will not even do any. I hate when I do not achieve any goals I have set and having missed a number of #FamilyHistory ones in recent years I think I will just work on these

I have started a list of my 2022 genealogy goals but it is still a work in progress. I have certain family lines I intend to focus on as well as painting more DNA chromosomes

yet again I will try to reduce my paper footprint in my study and scan family photos. I also want to write 52 biographies of my ancestors as an attempt at making a book for my descendants in the not too distant future. I want to continue learning too.

My husband gave me an old diary. I’m writing in it the work I want to do as I go through all the scraps of paper I used last year. I write down information on paper as I work. Once I have entered it now, I shred it! If I need to follow up, I write in my book.

I have a couple of projects I want to work on this year. Top priority is getting my father’s book on our family published online (and hopefully convincing him to register a One Name study).

One of my 2022 goals is to archive my correspondence!

2022 will be the year I finish digitising photos! (I hope!)

The watchlist is first, and following up my many notes is second. In addition, I want to start scanning slides from when I lived in England, especially of the Scotland holiday, as I might be able to use those in my profiles

While I have decided on broad areas to focus my #FamilyHistory research on, I like a bit of flexibility and fluidity so that my research can take me where it takes me unconstrained by specific annual goals and targets. For me it’s a hobby after all! It’s the journey that matters. If I go down rabbit holes or follow bright shiny objects taking me nowhere that’s fine because sometimes they do lead somewhere. You don’t know unless you look. Everything is a learning experience

I need to set some goals for this year I think getting my One Name Study website set up how I want it will be my goal but need to break down in to smaller tasks first

I use GDAT. Everything in one place, merge duplicates from different sites, count up how many have MRCA status set – only done once I have done the paper trail and added to my tree

I haven’t set any goals for the year but want to add some more direct ancestor biographies to both my blog and on @WikiTreers Also add DNA info to the shared DNA project by @blaine_5

plans for 2022 – 1. DNA 2. continue USA research 3. Museum exhibitions 4. lectures at U3A 5. Read more 6. continue Fellowship of First Fleeters websites 7. work on other family websites 9. DNA special interest group at local history group

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Would planning your 2022 research help you focus (allowing for those inevitable rabbit holes)? What would be the benefit of making resolutions?

I don’t like my plans to be too restrictive as other key life events can get in the way. Even though I don’t write the goals down, I do know what I want to achieve. I like being flexible but I also like to focus on rabbit holes that assist my research plan.

I don’t like my plans to be too restrictive as other key life events can get in the way. Even though I don’t write the goals down, I do know what I want to achieve. I like being flexible but I also like to focus on rabbit holes that assist my research plan.

I’m a planner & list maker so I need to make a plan to focus. Planning doesn’t stop me from going down those rabbit holes but I always have a plan to come back to.

Planning for 2022: should I, shouldn’t I… I know it would help and so I need to get organised to achieve something positive rather than jump roll on…… But what to pick?

I find making resolutions helps me think about exactly what it is that I am trying to do or pinpoint the frustration points and try to eliminate them e.g. why can’t I find that certificate. Answer because you haven’t filed/digitized it. They are a guide.

I’m doing the research when I have some spare time or a particular question comes up. I don’t feel any need to make resolutions for this purpose. I may join a genealogical society this year to do some courses/workshops.

I love a good wander on the iPad at any Archive or genealogy website. It is interested what you find in rabbit holes. Problem is I have loads of documents, dates found and where on my iPad. Now to add them sources to the people in my tree.

I focus my planning on house history research for clients far more than I do my own family history research. Probably a good thing that I can be organised when needed

While I don’t plan with specificity at an annual level, I do have a list (long!) of avenues of inquiry etc. with much reordering, adding to and subtracting from, during the year, as appropriate … I do plan at a specific task level though

Not sure planning would help a lot but I am presenting a few more talk /workshops this year so that will require planning. Also doing the A to Z with the Sorell Historical Society help so will need to plan that.

I definitely think I need to plan my writing projects – easier to do something “little and often” with larger tasks. Probably more a case of establishing a good habit than actually setting a deadline.

I have a lot of broad tasks I want to achieve every year. I try and get some of each done. I don’t plan what I do as you never know what might arrive the next day. One day I might feel like doing DNA matching, the next writing profiles.

Thinking about tonight’s session stimulated me to create my to do list for 2022 rather than put it off – wasn’t that hard really as essentially it is a continuation of 2020 – 2021 – however having it written down in my diaries will be a reminder

i usually have a variety of goals that I am working on and just pick up whichever one grabs me at the time. Or just browse. I have to do lists at work so happy to just enjoy.

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What resources could help you achieve your genealogy goals for 2022?

A trip to Scotland? Thinking laterally beyond the typical online genealogy subscription sites is helpful. Attending relevant online webinars that can inform my research

The best resource for me that helps me achieve my goals is my much loved white board. I don’t include the big goals there but list mini goals for each month that will get me to the big goals.

the kinds of resources that will help me in my quest will be crowdsourcing through family, family history organizations or local history societies and budgeting or allocating my time wisely.

My goals will probably change as I learn new things through conferences. I may need to reassess as I go.

48-hour days! I will have to limit my genealogy work as I seriously need to start disposing of my cartons of files from when I had a research business. I need to check for any information that I might want to use. Preparing in case I need to downsize again.

After the discussion today I think I need to focus on reviewing what I have found so far. In particular clearing the sources collected by attaching them with full details to my off line tree and therefore growing my knowledge about my ancestors.

Participation in sessions like #ANZAncestryTime will help plus ScottishIndexes conferences, Rootschat & American New England genealogy websites & Facebook groups, and reading books on my to do list – also DNA 3rd party tools

I have the website so I just need to get the information on there formatted how I want it to be I just need to use my genealogy program to create the right GEDCOM for me

More time?


Blog Posts

Jane: Looking back, looking forward

Alex: Accentuate the positive, New year resolutions

Jennifer: Accentuate the positive, goals for 2022

Maggie: Accentuate the positive


Important comment

Do what calls to you the loudest as it’s most likely the thing you’ll commit to the most readily.

Readers: Do you have any specific goals for family history this year?

Food, glorious food


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Tell us about your ancestors who had occupations or businesses related to food or beverages. Has it been easy to research this aspect of your family history?

My grandfather Frank Duncan had a food van in the late 1920s and 1930s that he took to football matches, race meetings etc in the area around Cobar. The aforesaid Frank Duncan was a sheep farmer on 48,000 acres near Cobar until an horrific bushfire wiped him out . So he was always connected with food.

I have had a baker and confectioner. But I haven’t done much research on them yet

Hi everyone – yes I have bakers and confectioners in my family tree too @tasteach. The Forfars had a famous bakery at Hove in Sussex and his descendants had one in Newcastle – Wingfields.

My great grandparents were dairy farmers at Seventeen Mile Rocks until the 1930’s. One of my convicts was a ‘pantry boy’ and I had a grocer in Suffolk in the mid 1800’s. I have to admit I haven’t done a great deal of research

My ancestors in Bedfordshire were vegetable growers. Researching their property has given me a huge amount of information about them

My great grandfather was a butcher. His business was in front of their house. His wife had a cake shop at the back of the house.

When I was little Mum and her sister had a delicatessen in Kensington NSW. I used to love the easy access to milkshakes and ice cream cones.

#Food & #FamilyHistory go together like strawberries & cream. Did the ancestors eat rich or poor foods or (even worse) workhouse food? To write about their lives we have to know about the food.

I have a 4xg grandfather who was allegedly a baker, but his son might have been making that up for the marriage register! And my 2x ggrandfather ran a pub in Charleston (West Coast) for a while – obviously found that more lucrative than the gold fields

My aunt was an excellent cook, and I have some of her recipes in my handwritten book. My nephew is a chef. There are some publicans among my family

Guess my farming ancestors count too! Grandfather and great grandfathers were stock agents, some good stories about their working life from newspaper reports when they retired.

I have farmers and vegetable growers in my family history in Australia. Most of them struggled to make a go of it but the ones that stuck with it for a few years did very well

My maternal grandfather was a sales rep for Allens sweets and also McNivens Ice Cream. His brother (my great uncle) was a pastrycook/baker. Easy to research.

I am envious Karen. The nearest I came was my grandfather knowing the owner of the Smiths Crips factory in Brisbane. I can’t eat them now because I had so many as a child

I imagine she did, but us kids certainly had some of the sweets! On at least one or two occasions he brought us an ice cream container full of Allens sweets! Happy days, of course! But, we lived a long way from my grandparents, so didn’t see them too often.

I forgot I had generations of corn millers in Marston, Lincolnshire. I have done quite a lot of research on this Morley family and the water wheel mill

My husband’s ancestors were butchers in Brisbane and had a firm called Daw and Slack. I was excited to find a photo of one of their shops in a much loved book called Brisbane Art Deco

I’ve recently been researching the Gutteridge & Anchor families of Emneth, Norfolk. The men were butchers & Mary Anchor was the licensee/beer-seller of the Butcher’s Arms at Muckle Row.

I got a lucky break with the Butcher’s Arms, finding a list of licensees on a Norfolk Pubs website; there was Mary Anchor and 2 husbands which helped explain all her tricky name changes

My convict 3 times g grandfather had a pub in Singleton called the Golden Fleece. I was thinking I had few ancestors who worked with food but now my memory is being jogged….

Mother-in-law was receptionist at Gartrell White cakes in Newtown, NSW – the kids had very fancy birthday cakes until she retired.

I think I have some grocers too – the widow and her daughter took over the shop until she died.

My maternal great grandfather had been a pastry boy on an immigrant ship to Australia. Both hard and easy to research as he deserted his wife and family.

I have a g g uncle who farmed sheep in NZ then came to the Darling Downs Qld and bred a new sheep. He is mentioned in a Royal Commission into the meat industry in Qld in the early 1800’s

I have two more self employed butchers in my family in 19th century. One at Violet Town and one at Redesdale, both in Victoria

My convict ancestor Margaret Jones was a dairymaid and she and her husband Samuel Taylor had some success in animal husbandry

My Great great grandfather was a gardener at Government House in Tasmania often mentioned in newspaper articles for growing great fruit and vegetables

Have also found him written up in Lady Harriett Gore Browne’s diaries while she was wife of governor in the 1860s

Amongst my husbands ancestors there were confectioners and a baker but on my side, farmers who grew their own food. All my food as a child was home grown, killed, dressed, baked etc

My husbands family had a bakery in Cuba Street, Wellington, NZ and as my ancestors lived close I wonder if they were customers. Or a great grand father was a cook on many different ships. No wonder I have no photos or electoral roll records. Often at sea?

My 2xgreat grandfather, William Welch, moved to the Hutt in 1845 where he started the Rose of the Valley Hotel, also known as the “The Rose Inn, Mr. Welch’s”.

Just remembered my 2x great grandfather who owned a pub in Kent Street London called The Castle. When he gave up the lease he came to Australia and struggled growing potatoes in the snow in Victoria

My g grandfather was involved in hare drives in South Canterbury. Got some photos of those.

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What food related events did your ancestors experience during their lifetimes ie famine, new settlers, war rations? How did these events affect their lives?

The Potato Famine in Ireland caused my ancestors to emigrate to NSW.

I had paternal ancestors who left Ireland during the potato famine and went to Glasgow to work in the coal mines. I wish I knew where in Ireland they were from

My mother was a child during WW2 and she told me how they had ration cards and her lunch was dripping and bread. She reminded me of that whenever I didn’t like eating something so it stayed with her

My grandfather wasn’t allowed to go to war (WW2) as he had to keep the Brisbane water supply going. He used to come home with US soldiers and my grandmother had to make the rationed food go around. She did so graciously though

Gosh well I know that both my parents went through rationing in WW2. My mother says she will always remember the excitement of seeing chocolate wrapped in foil after it was all over. All foil was previously donated to the war effort for munitions I think.

My husband’s grandparents hoarded tea and sugar during WW2 as much as they could and my husband continues the tea hoarding tradition to this day !

My parents went through rationing during WWII, and sent food parcels to the UK. I got some books and toys when I was born. No food was wasted in my mother’s home. I still have that attitude.

Probably the most significant event that affected a lot of my ancestors was the potato blight in Ireland, prompting mass migration. My ancestors from Munster all came to NZ, while others moved to England and Scotland.

Irish potato famine (likely); war rations (definitely). One uncle was a cook during WWII when he was very young. There were several agricultural labourers/farmers among my ancestors and their families.

My paternal grandfather fetched firewood for the local baker during the depression as ‘payment’ for bread.

Great book about the meat industry in NZ, primarily about Borthwicks, written by Peter Norman, called The Meat in the Sandwich. Some good anecdotes about my ggrandfather in there too.

Mum never cooked brains nor tripe – probably a hangover from the Depression and WW2 coupon years plus she was raised in a single parent family when her father deserted them from 1938-1939 – so things were very tight

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Share your food related memories of your own past ie birthdays, family dinners, school fetes. What food evoke strong memories of the past for you?

Cooking wasn’t a strength for my mother. Her limited repertoire included meat and 3 veg, crumbed cutlets, corned beef, lasagne and packet cakes

Bread and dripping was not unusual in our house after we got home from school. The dripping had the taste of the previous roast dinner.

So many memories! My mother’s chocolate cake on birthdays that tasted like no other – a very rich cream or ganache filling from memory. My mother once buying such a big turkey for Xmas from DJs Elizabeth Street that it didn’t fit in the oven.

School fetes – toffee apples and toffee in cupcake papers!

My mother could also manage toffees and coconut for the fetes,

We had Christmas every year at my grandparents house. My grandmother would kill the chook on Christmas Eve. I loved the chooks so worried about the chook that was served on Christmas Day.

I have such fond memories of my Irish grandmother’s cooking. Her Irish Bap, Irish stew, caramel Custard, home made ice cream and Rosella Jams were my favourites

So many great memories! My mother makes wonderful desserts (pavlova, cheesecakes, sweet pies, cakes, biscuits, slices, puddings), roast meals, lasagna, spaghetti, and many others. She taught me how to cook when I was 7, and I’ve enjoyed it ever since.

My paternal grandmother’s roast chook cooked in the Sunbeam counter top electric frypan was to die for.

Remember going to Nana’s and she always had sugared almonds – pale pink and white I think – in a little jar, like the ones that used to be found in wedding favours

My mother always made wonderful double tier sponge cakes 🍰 for birthdays, filled with fresh cream (from our cows) and homemade jam. Sometimes we had bought lemonade too that was a real treat.

Mum was a great cook, yet we always had meat and three veges for evening meals. Mum also did lots of cooking at Girl Guide camps and catering for events with her sister and cousin quite often

We had meat and three veg too for dinners. I was always amazed when my mum cooked for friends at dinner parties – she really leveled up! LOL Obviously fancy fare was wasted on us kids.

Big fat cream buns. I think that is my favourite childhood memory. The baker delivered and we would get a cream bun as a treat

So many memories connected to food, and I’ve tried to pass on family food traditions to my kids. But have also created our own too – we make a gingerbread house every year for Christmas and they still love decorating it, even in their teens!

I have a book called British Food: An Extraordinary Thousand Years of History. I hvn’t read it yet but look forward to it in the new year. Looks an interesting read, and I expect will give a better idea of the food our ancestors ate

Happy memories of my parents discovering delicatessens in the 70s – trying black bread, salami, cheeses, avocadoes…we had what we called “peasant lunches” on Saturdays and loved them. A bit like an antipasto. Lots of fun.

Remember taking 25c for school lunch order on Fridays as a treat. Was able to buy a pie, coffee scroll and drink with that amount

Tuckshop! sausage rolls for morning tea on a cold Canberra morning were always very welcome. Space food sticks in the early 70s were very hip. Paddlepops for 2cents.

My mother made fudge & fudge cake for every celebration – sickly sweet. I haven’t eaten them since I left home. She had a very sweet tooth, lived to 92. For Xmas it was log cabin roll & fruit cake. When we visited her, she would make fudge cake

Boarding school food horrors – sinker, i.e. afternoon tea cake, fried fritz (a South Australian thing), boiled cabbage…..

I know what you mean but the chocolate slice at afternoon tea at our boarding school was to die for. I have yet to find the recipe. It was sooooooo good.

Family dinners were basic food – stews, casseroles, meat loaf, roasts, etc with vegetables, many of which came from the garden. That’s what I still eat a lot of. My father liked milk puddings. I did the baking – biscuits and loaves.

Food brings back so many memories. Mum’s roast beef. She was ahead of her time – went for low fat meals. I remember she used to ask the butcher to cut off much of the fat. He moaned as it reduced the weight so she said weigh it, price it, then cut it off.

Making boiled fruit cake with my GM. My GF breaking his false teeth on a bacon rib, him making me champ as a “starter” (potato mashed with butter, salt, white pepper) when we were hungry waiting for dinner. Peas like bullets after I went walkabout aged 3 😮

Our neighbours had hens. Lots of eggs though I avoided slaughter time. Chicken was expensive in the 1960s. I often asked for chicken for special meals like birthdays. Food choices are different today.

We had meat & 3 until Mum discovered Asian cooking. We had so many spicy meals we got excited when meat & 3 was back on the menu 😆


Are there any foods or recipes that have been passed down in your family? Do they reflect your heritage? Share your favourite Christmas foods and recipes.

Definitely Scottish Shortbread from Mr @geniaus forebear.

My grandmother’s home made ice cream, Irish bap and plum pudding are still a favourite in my family

So did I until I had to give up milk 30 years ago. It’s not the same with soy or rice milk. Bread and butter pudding used up old bread. Crumbles and sponges. 1st husband liked choc fudge pudding

Oh yum! You have reminded me of my mother’s rice pudding Alex. I could never make it taste as good as she did

What I have now is rice flakes cooked for a few minutes in rice milk, served with fruit (at present strawberries or raspberries from my garden) and yoghurt.

Rarely had rice pudding. Baked in the oven, short grain rice, can of nestles sweetened condensed milk. Nutmeg sprinkled on top. I always thought it was a waste of good condensed milk & hated the skin on the top. Mum was into fresh fruit so we had lots available.

I have cooked the mince pies and christmas cake. Shortbread is next with my nifty new cookie cutter in the shape of a Xmas tree together with my Gnome for the holidays spatula from TK Maxx.


Morning/Evening #ANZAncestryTime just popping in to say hi very quickly. Looking forward to reading about those family food memories. I remember my grandmother talking about using every part of the xmas bird, even its feet, to feed her hungry horde

Not a scrap Maggie! The same woman had been housekeeper for an English doctor and his wife. She was a fantastic cook – her recipe book fell apart eventually.

I never had soggy boiled cabbage. Mum put ours on when the roast meat was out finished and being carved. I still hate the thick white stems part as they sometimes they were nearly raw. When I went to university and met institution food it was frightening.

My mother loved to experiment – one of her go to cookbooks was Aerophos – though hers were probably late 1950’s

Aerophos is the best!!! We have that here at home. I’m pretty sure it’s what I use for the Christmas cake and puddings although I deviated this year to Nursing Mothers cookbook.

I just love old recipe books and that’s my go to section now when I go to Lifeline book sales. So many hilarious ones put out by fridge companies or canning companies – how many recipes can you collect for tinned pineapple or gelatine !!

I inherited some of my mother’s and my aunt’s by marriage. Some have gone off to collections. I still have some to sort through as they are not dated and no use to my researcher of food friend.

Same for my daughter – that and Commonsense cookbook but I don’t think my daughter appreciates them 🙁 probably too old-fashioned and very unhealthy.

Here’s last Christmas ham baked by hubby, and Christmas cake me-made #ANZAncestryTime Did Mum’s recipes A-Z a couple of years ago

My mother always made a delicious boiled fruit cake, a weekly staple!

My cousin always made black bun for Hogmanay and my brother has her recipe. That and shortbread. Neither can I eat

I have a lovely Christmas pudding recipe from an Irish friend’s grandmother. It has Guinness and whiskey in it, so I enjoy making it as much as I enjoy eating it!

No one mentioned the sixpences in the Christmas pudding #ANZAncestryTime We looked forward to that and ate so much pudding hoping to get a coin😀

Thanks for the tweet on sixpences – I’ve just ordered sixpences on ebay for next year’s Christmas Puddings

Mum cooked fabulous pikelets in an Electric counter top frypan

I loved mums meatloaf and got her to write the recipe out for me to use.

I love traditional Christmas pudding with warm custard and vanilla ice cream. I also love chocolate coated almonds, salted cashews, fresh cherries, seafood, and roasts (though these days, I mostly eat vegetarian!)

I have a little handed-down notebook with recipes (including for household products) but I’m not sure who it is handed down from! Currently trying to decipher handwriting, and might try making the more palatable-sounding dishes.


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Blog posts:

Jill:  Frank Duncan and his food van, Shortbread recipe,

Alex: Newcastle bakers, Daw and Stack, Jones and Taylor,

Sharn: Family recipes,

Carmel: A-Z recipes,

Twitterchat: November 2020 chat about food

Readers: What are your memories of great food that has been passed down in your family?