ethnicity

Dad’s DNA test vs Ruby his cousin

Miss W. Smith, Using DNA , , , , , , , ,

Today I decided to check out the new chromosome browser in Ancestry. Looking at dad’s results these are his ethnicity on each chromosome:

Parent 1 

  • Irish – 1, 4, 5, 6, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21
  • Scottish – 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 22
  • English/NW Europe – 1, 13

Parent 2

  • Welsh – 7, 13
  • Scottish – 2, 3, 6, 16
  • Swedish – 9, 17, 21
  • English/NW Europe – 1, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 18, 19, 20, 22

But which parent is dad’s mother?

When we first began this journey with dad’s DNA, it was to find out if he had Samoan heritage. Most of his cousins were very dark as were one of their parents with the surname Smith. Yet dad’s mother, Irene, had an extremely pale complexion.

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Dad’s mother Irene with her pale complexion

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Ruby’s mother Maddie with her darker complexion


Maybe looking at Ruby’s DNA ethnicity and chromosome browser, I can work out which side is dad’s mother and which is his father.

Parent 1 has the Samoan DNA so this is definitely from Ruby’s mother. The Samoan DNA comes from her father Robert Smith who was one quarter Samoan. Some of the other DNA will be from his wife Nellie Smith nee Somers/Summers/Clark/O’Keefe/Charles who is the common ancestor to both dad and Ruby. Nellie is a problem ancestor as we are unsure of her parents.

What other ethnicities are from Ruby’s mother that match or are similar to dad’s mother?

  • English/NW Europe – 2, 11, 13, 15
  • Irish – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 12, 16, 17, 18, 20, 22
  • Scottish – 7
  • Welsh – none
  • Swedish – 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 19, 21

Ruby’s other ethnicities from parent 1 include: Southern Bantu, Tonga, Nigeria, East Polynesia/New Zealand Maori, Benin/Togo and Southern Philippines.

Comparison

As dad’s parent 2 has no Irish at all, yet Ruby’s mum has Irish on 12 different chromosomes, this would suggest that dad’s parent 1 is his mother. Any chromosome ethnicity common to both dad’s mother and Ruby’s mother must come from their mother  who is their common parent.

  • Irish – 1, 4, 5, 6, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 – Dad
  • Irish – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 12, 16, 17, 18, 20, 22 – Ruby
  • Scottish – 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 22 – Dad
  • Scottish – 7 – Ruby
  • English/NW Europe – 1, 13 – Dad
  • English/NW Europe – 2, 11, 13, 15 – Ruby

I think this fits well as dad’s mother’s father has mainly Scottish and Irish ethnicity. So that would be the remainder of the chromosomes not fitting with Ruby’s mother.

My next step to continue using the DNAPainter program to paint dad’s chromosomes using results from other databases.

More ethnicity at Ancestry

Miss W. Using DNA ,

Love the new SideView technology of DNA ethnicity at Ancestry but my problem is that both my parents have passed down very similar ethnicities. Here is the view from my DNA test.

But which parent is mum and which is dad?

Sue DNA ethnicity Apr 2022

With both having large amounts for England and NW European and Scotland, maybe I need to sort it out with the smaller percentages. Sometimes though Ireland is also connected to Scotland so will that 8% help in sorting out which parent?

Luckily both my parents have also tested so I should receive about 50% of their ethnicity – maybe their actual tests will help.

Let’s look at mum’s ethnicity results first:

Mum’s ethnicity from DNA test

So from mum, I should receive about 27% England, 15% Scotland, 3% Sweden and Ireland, 2% Wales and 1% Norway.

Is this closest to parent 1 or parent 2 on my SideView?

Let’s look at dad’s ethnicity results now:

Dad’s ethnicity from DNA test

So from dad, I should receive about 16% England, 16% Scotland, 13% Ireland, 3% Sweden and 2% Wales

Is this closest to parent 1 or parent 2 on my SideView?

My thoughts

Because of the large Irish percentage in dad’s ethnicity, I think that parent 1 is dad and parent 2 is mum. But what about that 4% Germanic Europe? In earlier versions, dad did have this mentioned as an ethnicity but it is not on the most current version.

I can also try to work out what ethnicity my mum and dad received from their parents as they also have SideView technology done on their DNA tests.

Will it be easier to work out their inherited ethnicity? That is for another post.

 

Using LivingDNA

Miss W. General info, Using DNA , , , , ,

Because my ethnicity is basically British and Irish, I thought it would be interesting to find out exactly where in these countries my ancestors came from.

Here are the top results for my parents, my brother and myself. I had to pay extra to get the results for my parents and brother as they hadn’t tested with LivingDNA, instead I uploaded their raw data from Ancestry instead.

Mum

  • North Yorkshire 15.5%
  • Northern Ireland and SW Scotland 14.9%
  • Cumbria 13.2%
  • Devon 11.6%
  • South Central England 10.7%
  • South East England 9.5%
  • South England 8.6%

Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, and Somerset (South Central England)

Kent, Sussex, Essex (South East England)

Hampshire, Dorset (South England)

Dad

  • Devon 29.8%
  • Ireland 24.8%
  • South Central England 11.9%
  • South England 11.5%
  • Northumbria 8%

The rest are 3% or lower including Orkney and Shetland Islands at 1.5%

Philip

  • South East England 20.6%
  • Ireland 17.2%
  • Northern Ireland and SW Scotland 15.1%
  • Central England 12.5%
  • North Yorkshire 9%
  • Northumbria 7.1%
  • South Central England 7%

But Devon only 1.8% and Orkney Shetland 1.7%

Sue

  • Devon 32.8%
  • Northern Ireland and SW Scotland 13.5%
  • Northwest England 12.8%
  • Ireland 6.3%
  • Lincolnshire 6.3%
  • Northumbria 6%

So looking at these results:

  • I got the Devon genes from dad while Philip got the Irish genes.
  • Philip got the North Yorkshire genes from mum while I got the Devon genes.
  • Interesting the difference one generation can make with all the movement in England and Ireland.

We also have shared matches now on LivingDNA.

Mum  274,  Dad 179,  Philip 218 ,  Sue 209

So another job for me to do is work out where these matches connect within our family. The LivingDNA website is gradually adding other useful tools and will be great once you can add to a tree and look at a chromosome browser to triangulate matches.

Readers: Have you uploaded your raw DNA to this website? It is especially useful if you have a lot of British heritage and have paid the fee to unlock the county ethnicity.